DeW Waller Arms
Genealogy of the de Warrenne ancestors of the Tipperary Wallers

23 Hugh (Hugues)[ Aimerie de Thouars? or Hugh de Normandie?] 
may have been Bishop of Coutances Some genealogists think that Hugh de Normandie may have been the father of 25 Rodolf I, see note 2.2  But Aimerie seems to have the better evidence. As to "of Coutances" the lists of Bishops have gaps between the city's destruction by the Vikings in 866 and the start of rebuilding of the cathedral in ~ 1025 during this gap the Bishops were based in Rouen. Click and see " A History of Normandy before the 17th century
b ~959
d ~1025
m Beatrice de Torta b ~960 dau of Rodolf de Torta,who repaired the fortifications of Rouen from the dismantling of
monasteries by the Seine River

son
(please see para 2.2 of Doubts)

24 Raoul/Rodolf/Ralph I,
b ~984
m Beatrice de Vascoeuil
b ~982
He got dowry  land outside the walls of Rouen, at Vascoeuil, (just to the East of Rouen & in the pays de Caux. Map F.
The cartulary of the abbey of St. Amand contains a record, proving the identity of Roger, son of the bishop, and that of his brother Ralph, as sons of Hugh, bishop of Coutances.


2nd son of 24

25 Raoul/Rodolf/Ralph II de Varenne
He did not inherit the Rouen and Vascoueil lands that went to his elder brother Roger. Who later acquired the castle and lands of Mortemer 34 km East of Rouen from Duke William because their previous "owner" had displeased the Duke. 25 Ralph II did inherit those of his father's lands in the Eastern part of  the Pays de Caux, roughly from St Valery to the far edge of the Forest de Arques then up the eastern side of the valley of the River Varenne where the chalk of the Caux gives way to the clay of the Bray . Ralph II built a castle at Bellencombre by the river upstream of Varenne village. Map F.
b ~998
d ~1074
m2
Emma a person known from a charter
signed by William the Bastard/Conqueror in 1059
Emma may have been Emma de St Martin de Varenne, Rodolf II's 2nd cousin. Dau' of Walter de St Martin de Varenne. Confusion between father-in-law and father may be a source of the supposition in several genealogies
that William, 1st Earl de Warenne's father,
was Walter de St Martin.

<<<<<<De Courcy & Carolingian connection



2nd son of 25

26 William de Warren, 1st Earl de Warren(ne),
1st Earl of Surrey
b ~1030 Bellencombre,
d 1088, mortally wounded at siege of Pevensey
Castle In 1088
some say his father was Hugh De Normandy (Hugh d'Eu)?
Birth 1000  Cleuville, Haute Normandy, Bishop of Lisieux This is the less likely of the options. Please see Doubts para 2.2B He joined William The Conqueror in capturing the Castle of Arques from
William's uncle and Guardian. William de Warren was made Constable of this castle.
His brother Rodolf III inherited most of the Pays de Caux lands of 25 Raoul/Rodolf/Ralph II.
The lands along the River Varenne may have been granted
to William de W(V)arenne by William II, 7th Count, 5th Duke of Normandy, The Conqueror, while de Warren was Constable of Arques and he may have been the first to call himself de W(V)arren(ne).
He built a Castle at Bellencombre in the SE of his lands
(to protect against the French King Henry I?),
which became his normal residence until he joined his distant? or 3rd? cousin William the Conqueror at the battle of Hastings.
He was awarded or conquered vast holdings in England and Normandy, on which the family subsequently built or acquired several castles and Religious Buildings.
(illustrations on the right) .
Gundred sister of Gerbod The Fleming Earl of Chester  

son

27 William de Warren  2nd Earl of Surrey
b ~1071
d ~1138, Lewes, Sussex, England

m (24vx) Elizabeth de Vermandois (~1081 to 13 February 1131) her 2nd marriage after the death of Roger de Beaumont Earl of Leicester. Eizabeth was of the Capetian Royal Line <<<<<<<<<< THE CAPETIANS
since the family had not borne arms William adopted those of the Vermandois:

3rd son of 27

28 Reginald de Warren
b ~1113 Vermandois, Normandy

m1 Alice, daughter of William, lord of Wormgay in Norfolk,
m2 Aldalia de Mowbray sister? of (x) Roger De Mowbray,
who changed his name from d'Aubigny on the orders of Henry I.
De Mowbray (a corruption of de Montbray) was the name
of this  Roger (De Mowbray)'s grandmother, Amice, the wife of Roger D'Aubigny, the father of Nigel d'Aubigny a strong supporter of HenryI, who was rewarded with theĀ escheated  (reverted to the crown due to there being no legal heir to the land) fief of Robert de Montbray in Normandy and a number of lands in England. Nigel married, by dispensation, the wife of Robert de Montbray, the imprisoned earl, but afterwards divorced her, and by another wife was father of a sonĀ Roger, who took the name of Mowbray.[1]
The de Mowbray connection is significant in that their
coat of arms became used as a canton on the de Warren arms to distinguish 28 Reginald's descendents from
those of 28x William the 3rd Earl.
The arms of the Poynton Warrens granted to the
Ashwell Wallers in 1572 may contain the de Mowbray canton

The de Mowbray arms

are similar to those of the de Nerford. Matilda de "N" was a mistress of (34x) John de Warrenne, who succeeded his grandfather as seventh/eighth and last Earl of Warrene and Surrey (depends whether Hamelin Plantagenet is counted as 4th).
One hypothesis, therefore; is that we descend from  29x William  de Warren 3rd Earl of Surrey not Reginald, as has been claimed. However, the heraldry
shows that the canton is of de Mowbray (split tail) rather than the conjoined tail of the de Nerford canton which would indicate descent from
William de Warrenne 3rd Earl of Surrey.
Please see notes 2.3D3A which examine these alternatives
.

son
 29 William de Warren,   
Keeper of Norwich Castle in 1186/1189
b ~1150 Holywells, Suffolk
m Isabelle de Hayden
d ~1208.

son

30. William de Warren,   
Keeper of Norwich Castle


son
 
31 Sir John de Warren
b ~1234
M Alice de Townsend in Norfolk
d 1296, Kennington, Kent
  
son

32 John de Warren
b ~1264
d 4 APR 1315 in a tournament in
Norfolk,
M Joan de Port of POYNTON, Cheshire

POyntonarea

son

33 Sir Edward de Warren,
b ~1295 in Poynton 
d 1370
married Maud de Skegton, dau of Richard de Ske(g)yton,.
d 1359

But some state he married Matilda (Maud) de Nerford, dau of William de Nerford, consort of 34x John de Warren, last (7/8th) Earl of Surrey, 1st Earl of Strathearn,


ALTERNATIVE GENEALOGY.
I believe this to be false on grounds of analysis of coats of arms and other reasons. see Notes 2.3

1st son of 28

29x William  de Warren 3rd Earl of Surrey 1106-1148
born in Vermandois, Normandy. Went to the
Holy Land on crusade in 1147 where he was killed at Laodicea on the Lycus in January 3/4th 1148 during Louis VII of France's campaign against the Seljuk Sultanate of Rum.
m  Adelia de Talvas, Alencon,  Orne


dau

30x Isabel de Warren 1137-1199 d Lewes, Sussex
(she or her 1st husband William of Blois (1137-1159)
have sometimes been accounted as 4th Earl
when the last Earl of the first creation is known
as the 8th Earl.).

m1 William de Blois
m2 (31g) Hamelin Plantagenet made 4/5th Earl of Surrey
    <<<<<<<<< THE PLANTAGENETS

son
 

31x William Plantagenet  de Warren (William de Monte Caniso)
5/6th Earl of Surrey
1166-1240 m  Maud Marshall of the family of "Strongbow" Earl of Pembroke, she had been granted the County of Carlow in Ireland by King Henry III of England. Her younger sons gave rise to the Irish de Warrens and through them the later French de Warrennes.
 
son


32x John Plantagenet de Warren
6/7th Earl of Surrey 1231-1305 Sussex
m  Alice Lusignan  de Brien of Lusignan
(a dau, Isabella de Warren, married
John II Balliol, King of Scotland).


son


33x William de Warren predeceased 32x so never Earl
1260-1286 Sussex
m  Joan de Vere of Oxford

son

34x John de Warren, last (7th/ 8th, see 31x above)
Earl of Surrey 1st Earl of Strathearn 1286.
Born 1286.
 Died 1347 after his putative son 33 Sir Edward de Warren (please see the direct line of succession.  
From 1286 onwards John's estates had been shuttling between him and the various aristocrats he had been fighting E.G. The Earl of Lancaster. A notable castle of his is Sandal near Wakefield, Yorkshire.
m  1 Joanne de Barre 1306
consort Maud de Nerford  
 (sometimes called Maud de Skegton.
I examine this confusion in Note 2.3
 born at Nerford Hall, Norfolk, which is some 40 miles from Skegton.see map below.)
sons ?


THE POYNTON WARRENS (see Earwaker's East Cheshire).

33 Sir Edward de Warren,
b ~1295 in Poynton 
d 1370
married Maud de Skegton, dau of Richard de Ske(g)yton,.
d 1359

son

34 Sir  Edward de Warren Knt, of Booton, Ske(g)yton, Crostweyth,  Fransham, and Rougham, Norfolk.
His alternative descents are examined in Notes 2.3
b  ~1321 in Poynton
d >1363<1368 Black death? before his father 33
m  Cecily Eaton of Stockport, dau of Sir  Nicholas de Eaton  of Eaton near Congleton, Cheshire,
and heiress of Robert de Stockport, of Poynton, Cheshire, see Map at 32 above and Woodplumpton, near Preston, Lancashire.

Warren Holdings



Arms of Warren of Poynton. Checky or and azure, on a canton gules a lion rampant argent.
NOTE NO BORDURE ERMINE.
son

35 Sir John de Warren ,The Warren arms (with a canton for de Nerford?,or de Mowbray? see note 2.3D3A) quartered with the arms of Eaton and Stockport were formerly found in the church window at Booton, Norfolk. On the death of an Eaton cousin about 1370, Edward and Cecily's son, John, became heir to the Eaton and Stockport estates, including Poynton, Cheshire. The Warenne (or Warren) family was thereafter seated at Poynton.
b ~1343, Poynton, Cheshire, England
m  Margaret Stafford,  heiress dau Sir John de Stafford of Wickham, Norfolk.
d 1387

son

36 Nicholas Warren
b ~1371 Poynton, Cheshire
m  Agnes de Wynnington of Wynnington, Cheshire
d 1413

son

37 Sir Laurence Warren
b ~1394 Poynton, Cheshire
m Margaret Bulkeley
d 1444

son

38 Sir John W arren
b ~1404
m 1423 Isabel Stanley

in Stockport, (b 1414 in Stourton d?) dau of Sir John Stanley KG King of Mann, progenitor of the modern Earls of Derby. d 1474

son

39 Sir Laurence Warren predeceased his father by months 
b~  1435 Poynton, Cheshire a Yorkist
Knighted in 1461 soon after the accession of Edward IV, (reign 4 March 1461 to 9 April 1483 deposed by Warwick 3 October 1470 regained throne at Battle of Tewkesbury 11 April 1471)
m  Isabel Legh of Adlington, Cheshire
d 1474 The Warren of Poynton Line survived into the 19th century, but has now died out. Researchers have had difficulty here;"The Missing Link" between the Warrens of Poynton and the Warrens alias Waller of the Bassingbourn, Camb's area.. Another possibility is that the Warrens alias Wallers of Bassingbourn were descended from the Warins of Bassingbourn Castle.

son?

40xd Anthony Warren
b ~1467 in Claybury, Essex,
died 1557 in Bassingbourn, aged 90?
m Margery
(see The Missing Link Anthony seems the most likely candidate).

41z William Warren alias Waller

b~ 1482 Bassingbourn, Cambs
m ?
d 1558

son

42. William WARREN als WALLER, styled "Gentleman" from 1560
b. ~ 1505 Bassingbourn, Cambs,
m Mawde
d. Feb 1572

son

43 William Warren als   Waller
b ~ 1532 Ashwell, Herts,
m Agnes Gray in  1582
d March 1599-Dec 1610. See WILL G he had 6 sons,

2nd Son

44b Edward Warren Waller
Lawyer of Ashwell, Herts, and Simonds Inn,
Sought Grant of Arms in 1631 , Ref "Book of Certificates" College of Arms.
In 1611 Edward Waller alias Warren bought the manor of Westbury Nernewtes, near Ashwell, and eventually sold it to Andrew Laut,
citizen of London,
Ref.
b ~1582
d 1640
2nd m 1612 Margaret  Glascock of Downhall, Essex
 

1st Son

45 Richard Waller
Lieutenant in  Cromwell's Army in part of the Civil War of 1642-1646. 
1649, got the  ruined Castle Cully (reduced by Cromwell)  and its lands partly in lieu of pay.
(near Newport, Tipperary)
b ~1613
m Dorothy. The family tale that she was a daughter of General Sir William Waller is most unlikely to be true (Note 7)
d 1688

son
>>>>>>>IRISH WALLERS

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MAP A Fiefdoms of Ancestors

 

MAP F

Settlement in Normandy

Settlement in Normandy
 

Arques Castle

Arques Castle
 

Bellencombre Castle in 1832

Bellencombre Castle 1832
 

Mortemer Castle

Mortemer Castle

William 1st Earl de Warrenne

William 1st Earl

De Warenne Castles & main religious b'ld'gs

DEW Castles

Conisborough

conisborough

Castle Acre Castle

Castle Acre

Lewes

Lewes

 

Sandal

Sandal

Reigate

Reigate

Holt

Holt

Castle Acre Priory

Castle Acre Priory

Castle Waller, Tipperary Ireland, in 1840s.