Genealogy of the de Warrenne ancestors of the Tipperary Wallers
23 Hugh (Hugues)[ Aimerie
de Thouars? or Hugh de Normandie?]
24
Raoul/Rodolf/Ralph
I, m1 Alice, daughter of William, lord of Wormgay in Norfolk, The de Mowbray arms are
similar to those of the de Nerford. Matilda
de "N" was a mistress of
(34x) John de Warrenne, who
succeeded his grandfather as seventh/eighth and last Earl of Warrene and
Surrey (depends whether Hamelin Plantagenet
is counted as 4th). m1 William de Blois
33 Sir
Edward
de
Warren,
son
34 Sir
Edward de
Warren Knt, of Booton,
Ske(g)yton, Crostweyth, Fransham, and Rougham, Norfolk.
may have
been Bishop of Coutances Some
genealogists think that Hugh de Normandie
may have been the father of 25 Rodolf I, see note 2.2
But Aimerie seems to have the better evidence.
As to "of Coutances"
the lists of Bishops have gaps between
the city's destruction by the Vikings in 866 and the start of rebuilding
of the cathedral in ~ 1025 during this gap the Bishops
were based in Rouen. Click and see " A History of Normandy before the 17th century
b ~959
d ~1025
m Beatrice de Torta b ~960 dau of Rodolf de Torta,who repaired the fortifications
of Rouen from the dismantling of
monasteries by the Seine River
son
(please see para 2.2
of Doubts)
b ~984
m Beatrice
de Vascoeuil
b
~982
He got dowry land outside the
walls of Rouen,
at
Vascoeuil, (just to the East of Rouen & in the pays de Caux. Map
F.
The cartulary of the abbey of
St. Amand contains a record, proving the identity
of Roger, son of the bishop, and that
of his brother Ralph, as sons of Hugh, bishop of
Coutances.
2nd son of 24
25
Raoul/Rodolf/Ralph II
de Varenne
He did not inherit the Rouen and
Vascoueil
lands that went to his elder brother Roger. Who later acquired the castle and lands of Mortemer 34 km East of Rouen from Duke William because their previous "owner" had displeased the Duke. 25 Ralph II did inherit those of his father's lands in the Eastern part of the
Pays de Caux, roughly from St
Valery to the far edge of the
Forest de Arques then up
the eastern side of the valley
of the
River Varenne where the
chalk of the Caux gives way to the clay of
the Bray . Ralph II built
a castle at Bellencombre by
the river upstream of Varenne village. Map F.
b ~998
d ~1074
m2 Emma a
person known from a charter
signed by William the
Bastard/Conqueror in 1059
Emma may have been Emma de St Martin de Varenne, Rodolf II's 2nd cousin. Dau' of Walter de St Martin
de Varenne.
Confusion between father-in-law and father may be a source of the supposition
in several genealogies that William, 1st Earl de Warenne's father, was
Walter de St Martin.
<<<<<<De Courcy & Carolingian connection
2nd son of 25
26 William
de Warren, 1st Earl
de
Warren(ne),
1st Earl
of Surrey
b ~1030 Bellencombre,
d 1088, mortally wounded at siege of Pevensey
Castle
In 1088
some say his father
was Hugh De
Normandy
(Hugh d'Eu)?
Birth
1000 Cleuville, Haute Normandy, Bishop of Lisieux This is the less
likely of the options. Please see Doubts para 2.2B
He joined William The Conqueror
in capturing the Castle of Arques from
William's uncle and Guardian. William de Warren
was made Constable of this castle.
His brother Rodolf III inherited most of the
Pays de Caux lands of 25 Raoul/Rodolf/Ralph II.
The lands along the River Varenne
may have been granted to William de W(V)arenne by William II, 7th Count, 5th Duke of
Normandy, The Conqueror,
while de Warren was
Constable of Arques and he may have
been the first to call
himself de W(V)arren(ne).
He built a
Castle at Bellencombre in the SE of his lands
(to protect against the French King Henry I?),
which
became his normal residence until
he
joined his distant? or 3rd? cousin
William
the Conqueror at the battle of Hastings.
He was awarded or conquered vast holdings
in England and Normandy, on which the family
subsequently built or acquired several
castles and Religious Buildings.
(illustrations on the right)
.
m Gundred sister of Gerbod The Fleming
Earl of Chester
son
27 William
de Warren
2nd Earl of
Surrey
b
~1071
d ~1138, Lewes, Sussex, England
m
(24vx) Elizabeth
de Vermandois
(~1081 to 13 February 1131) her 2nd marriage after the death of Roger de Beaumont Earl of Leicester. Eizabeth was of the Capetian Royal Line <<<<<<<<<< THE
CAPETIANS
since the family had not borne arms William adopted those of the Vermandois: 
3rd
son of 27
28 Reginald
de
Warren
b
~1113
Vermandois,
Normandy
m2
Aldalia
de
Mowbray
sister? of
(x)
Roger
De
Mowbray,
who
changed
his
name
from
d'Aubigny
on
the
orders
of
Henry
I.
De
Mowbray
(a
corruption
of
de
Montbray)
was
the
name
of this Roger
(De Mowbray)'s grandmother,
Amice,
the
wife
of
Roger
D'Aubigny, the father of Nigel d'Aubigny a strong supporter of HenryI, who was rewarded with the escheated (reverted to the crown due to there being no legal heir to the land) fief of Robert de Montbray in Normandy and a number of lands in England. Nigel married, by dispensation, the wife of Robert de Montbray, the imprisoned earl, but afterwards divorced her, and by another wife was father of a son Roger, who took the name of Mowbray.[1]
The
de
Mowbray
connection
is
significant
in
that
their
coat
of
arms
became
used
as
a
canton
on
the
de
Warren
arms
to
distinguish 28
Reginald's
descendents
from
those
of 28x
William
the
3rd
Earl.
The
arms
of
the
Poynton
Warrens
granted
to
the
Ashwell
Wallers
in
1572
may contain
the
de
Mowbray
canton
One hypothesis, therefore; is that we descend
from
29x
William
de
Warren
3rd Earl of Surrey
not
Reginald,
as
has
been
claimed.
However,
the
heraldry
shows that the canton is of de Mowbray (split tail) rather than the conjoined tail of
the de Nerford canton which would indicate descent from
William
de
Warrenne
3rd
Earl
of
Surrey.
Please
see notes 2.3D3A which
examine
these
alternatives .
son
29 William
de
Warren,
Keeper
of
Norwich
Castle
in
1186/1189
b ~1150 Holywells, Suffolk
m
Isabelle
de
Hayden
d
~1208.
son
30. William
de
Warren,
Keeper
of
Norwich
Castle
son
31 Sir
John
de
Warren
b
~1234
M
Alice
de
Townsend
in
Norfolk
d 1296, Kennington, Kent
son
32 John
de
Warren
b
~1264
d 4 APR 1315 in a tournament in
Norfolk,
M
Joan
de
Port
of
POYNTON, Cheshire
son
33 Sir
Edward
de
Warren,
b ~1295
in
Poynton
d 1370
married Maud
de
Skegton,
dau
of
Richard
de Ske(g)yton,.
d 1359
But
some
state
he
married Matilda
(Maud)
de
Nerford, dau of William de Nerford,
consort
of
34x
John
de
Warren,
last
(7/8th)
Earl
of
Surrey, 1st Earl
of
Strathearn,
ALTERNATIVE
GENEALOGY.
I
believe
this
to
be false
on
grounds
of
analysis
of
coats
of
arms and other reasons.
see Notes
2.3
1st son
of 28
29x
William
de
Warren
3rd Earl
of
Surrey 1106-1148
born
in
Vermandois,
Normandy.
Went
to
the
Holy
Land
on
crusade
in
1147
where
he
was
killed
at
Laodicea
on the Lycus in
January 3/4th
1148 during Louis VII of France's campaign against the Seljuk Sultanate of Rum.
m
Adelia
de
Talvas,
Alencon,
Orne
dau
30x
Isabel
de
Warren
1137-1199
d
Lewes,
Sussex
(she or her
1st husband William of Blois (1137-1159)
have
sometimes
been
accounted as
4th
Earl
when
the
last
Earl
of
the
first
creation
is
known
as
the
8th
Earl.).
m2
(31g)
Hamelin
Plantagenet made
4/5th Earl
of
Surrey
<<<<<<<<< THE
PLANTAGENETS
son
31x
William
Plantagenet
de
Warren (William de Monte Caniso)
5/6th Earl
of
Surrey
1166-1240 m
Maud
Marshall of the family of "Strongbow"
Earl of Pembroke, she had been granted the
County of Carlow in Ireland by King Henry III of England.
Her younger sons gave rise to the Irish de Warrens
and through them the later French de Warrennes.
son
32x John
Plantagenet
de
Warren
6/7th Earl
of
Surrey 1231-1305 Sussex
m
Alice
Lusignan
de
Brien
of
Lusignan
(a
dau, Isabella
de
Warren,
married
John
II
Balliol,
King
of
Scotland).
son
33x
William
de
Warren
predeceased
32x
so
never
Earl
1260-1286
Sussex
m
Joan
de
Vere
of
Oxford
son
34x John
de
Warren,
last
(7th/ 8th, see 31x above)
Earl
of
Surrey
1st Earl
of
Strathearn 1286.
Born 1286.
Died 1347 after his putative
son 33
Sir Edward de Warren (please see the direct
line of succession.
From 1286 onwards
John's
estates had been
shuttling between him and the various aristocrats he had
been fighting E.G. The Earl of Lancaster. A notable castle
of his is Sandal near Wakefield, Yorkshire.
m
1
Joanne
de
Barre 1306
consort Maud de Nerford
(sometimes called Maud de Skegton.
I examine this confusion in
Note 2.3
born at Nerford Hall, Norfolk,
which is some 40 miles from Skegton.see map below.)
sons ?
THE
POYNTON
WARRENS (see Earwaker's East
Cheshire).
b ~1295
in
Poynton
d 1370
married Maud
de
Skegton,
dau
of
Richard
de Ske(g)yton,.
d 1359
His alternative
descents
are examined
in Notes 2.3
b ~1321
in
Poynton
d >1363<1368 Black death? before his father 33
m
Cecily Eaton
of Stockport,
dau of Sir
Nicholas
de Eaton
of Eaton near Congleton, Cheshire,
and heiress
of Robert
de Stockport,
of Poynton,
Cheshire, see Map at 32 above and Woodplumpton,
near Preston, Lancashire.
Arms
of
Warren
of
Poynton.
Checky
or
and
azure,
on
a
canton
gules
a
lion
rampant
argent.
NOTE NO BORDURE ERMINE.
son
35 Sir John
de Warren ,The Warren
arms (with
a canton
for de Nerford?,or
de Mowbray?
see note
2.3D3A) quartered
with the
arms of Eaton and
Stockport
were formerly
found
in
the church
window at
Booton, Norfolk.
On the death
of an Eaton
cousin about
1370,
Edward
and Cecily's
son, John,
became heir
to the Eaton
and Stockport
estates,
including
Poynton,
Cheshire.
The Warenne
(or Warren)
family was thereafter
seated
at
Poynton.
b
~1343, Poynton, Cheshire, England
m Margaret Stafford, heiress dau Sir John de Stafford of Wickham, Norfolk.
d 1387
son
36 Nicholas
Warren
b ~1371 Poynton, Cheshire
m Agnes de Wynnington of Wynnington, Cheshire
d 1413
son
37 Sir Laurence Warren
b ~1394 Poynton, Cheshire
m Margaret Bulkeley
d 1444
son
38 Sir John W arren
b ~1404
m 1423 Isabel Stanley
in Stockport, (b 1414 in Stourton d?) dau of Sir John Stanley KG King of Mann, progenitor of the modern Earls of Derby. d 1474
son
39 Sir Laurence Warren predeceased his father by months
b~ 1435 Poynton, Cheshire a Yorkist
Knighted in 1461 soon after the accession of Edward IV, (reign 4 March 1461 to 9 April 1483 deposed by Warwick 3 October 1470 regained throne at Battle of Tewkesbury 11 April 1471)
m
Isabel Legh
of Adlington,
Cheshire
d 1474 The Warren of Poynton Line survived into the 19th century, but has now died out.
Researchers have had difficulty here;"The Missing Link" between the Warrens of Poynton
and the Warrens alias Waller of the
Bassingbourn, Camb's area.. Another possibility is that the Warrens
alias Wallers of Bassingbourn were descended from the Warins of Bassingbourn Castle.
son?
40xd
Anthony Warren
b ~1467 in Claybury, Essex,
died
1557
in
Bassingbourn, aged 90?
m
Margery
(see
The Missing Link Anthony seems the most likely candidate).
41z William
Warren alias Waller
b~
1482
Bassingbourn,
Cambs
m
?
d
1558
son
42. William WARREN als WALLER, styled "Gentleman" from 1560
b.
~ 1505 Bassingbourn, Cambs,
m Mawde
d. Feb 1572
son
43 William
Warren als
Waller
b ~ 1532
Ashwell,
Herts,
m Agnes
Gray in
1582
d March 1599-Dec 1610. See WILL G he had 6 sons,
2nd Son
44b Edward
Warren Waller
Lawyer of
Ashwell, Herts,
and Simonds
Inn,
Sought Grant
of Arms
in 1631 , Ref "Book of Certificates" College of Arms.
In 1611 Edward Waller alias Warren bought the manor of Westbury Nernewtes, near Ashwell, and eventually sold it to Andrew Laut,
citizen of London, Ref.
b ~1582
d 1640
2nd m 1612
Margaret
Glascock
of Downhall,
Essex
1st Son
45 Richard
Waller
Lieutenant
in
Cromwell's
Army in
part of
the Civil
War of 1642-1646.
1649, got
the
ruined Castle
Cully (reduced
by Cromwell)
and its
lands partly in lieu of pay.
(near Newport,
Tipperary)
b ~1613
m Dorothy. The family tale that she was a daughter of General Sir William Waller is most unlikely to be true (Note 7)
d 1688
son
>>>>>>>IRISH WALLERS
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| MAP F Settlement in Normandy  |
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William 1st Earl de Warrenne 
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De Warenne Castles & main religious b'ld'gs  |
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Conisborough  |
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Castle Acre Castle
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Lewes |
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Sandal 
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Reigate 
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Holt 
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Castle Acre Priory 
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Castle Waller, Tipperary Ireland, in 1840s. 
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